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 EPG Problem in new GUI 
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Ok, thats enough for me. I am using the old firmware. The new GUI looks nice but is not very usefull. When skipping a picture in the slide show why is there the big black row at the top of the screen?
I see no functional improvement.


Thu Jun 23, 2011 8:50 pm
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Hi Arne,

the interesting is that someone was able to go around the sdk license issue
and put this stuff together with your firmware. So maybe he has access to Realtek's
sdk and your development stuff.

>>AC Ryan cannot change
It seem that he could :o

Maybe AC Ryan schould ask this guy if he could work for them ;)

Regards


Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:57 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Hafensaenger wrote:
Hi Arne,

the interesting is that someone was able to go around the sdk license issue
and put this stuff together with your firmware. So maybe he has access to Realtek's
sdk and your development stuff.

>>AC Ryan cannot change
It seem that he could :o

Maybe AC Ryan schould ask this guy if he could work for them ;)

Regards

Hi,
the problem is not the possibility to add it but the license issue.

cheers,

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Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:09 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Could we see the Realtek Licence Agreement. I think that this have nothing to do with transmition of EPG of public chanels. Which difference in the License Agreement the Realtek made that in old SDK is EPG possible and in new not??? I think that you have wrong interpreted this license. Who is Realtek's EPG provider?. My EPG provider is local TV-Broadcast station!!!


Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:08 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
petnad wrote:
Could we see the Realtek Licence Agreement. I think that this have nothing to do with transmition of EPG of public chanels. Which difference in the License Agreement the Realtek made that in old SDK is EPG possible and in new not??? I think that you have wrong interpreted this license. Who is Realtek's EPG provider?. My EPG provider is local TV-Broadcast station!!!


I can try to get some additional information but basically for the new SDK there is no license for it. For the older SDK there is.

br,

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Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:13 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Arne,

As I posted before - someone in ACRyan/Realtek is mis-interpreting a licence issue as regards EPG.
EPG data is broadcast free-to-air by the TV channels, same as video or sound data in digital format. No licence is needed for this - it's part of the DVB-T standard.

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Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:17 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Arne,

do You think that every PVR-device needs special license-agreement to the TV-Providers (separatelly for each TV-Chanels) of each Country World-wide (and even based on the current firmware)????? Could You this imagine?????


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Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:33 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
As an example of how EPG data is broadcast freely in the clear - no usage licence needed, here is a snip of the EPG data from a local station showing now and next information. It's converted into XML by my DVB-EIT stream analyser:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Terrestrial__EUR__722000>
<ServiceID Value="1101" Name="RTÉ One">


<EventID Value="383" Name="The Doctors">
<StartTime String="24/06/2011 09:00:00"/>
<Duration String="00:50:00"/>
<RunningStatus Value="4" Name="running"/>
<FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="19"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventName String="The Doctors"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventDescription String=""/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content">
<DescriptorLength Value="2"/>
<ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/>
<UserByte HValue="0x00"/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="137"/>
<DescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<Text String="US talk show. Four doctors with very different specialities answer health queries from viewers. (Followed by RTÉ News and Weather)"/>
</Descriptor>
</EventID>
<EventID Value="384" Name="Dr Phil">
<StartTime String="24/06/2011 09:50:00"/>
<Duration String="00:55:00"/>
<RunningStatus Value="1" Name="not running"/>
<FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="15"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventName String="Dr Phil"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventDescription String=""/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content">
<DescriptorLength Value="2"/>
<ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/>
<UserByte HValue="0x00"/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="181"/>
<DescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<Text String="Talk show. Dr Phil McGraw meets 17-year-old Chloe, whose parents are concerned that she has become obsessed with her friendship with a boy. (Followed by RTÉ News and Weather)"/>
</Descriptor>
</EventID>

Now here's some data from 28th June, again in XML format:

<EventID Value="369" Name="Neighbours">
<StartTime String="28/06/2011 12:55:00"/>
<Duration String="00:30:00"/>
<RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/>
<FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="18"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventName String="Neighbours"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventDescription String=""/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content">
<DescriptorLength Value="2"/>
<ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/>
<UserByte HValue="0x00"/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="238"/>
<DescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<LastDescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<Text String="With Charlie missing, Lyn refuses to see there is anything wrong with his behaviour and so puts all of the blame on Sophie. Starring: Jordy Lucas, Ashleigh Brewer, Erin Mullally, Jane Badler, James Mason, Stefan Dennis (Subtitles)"/>
</Descriptor>
</EventID>
<EventID Value="370" Name="EastEnders">
<StartTime String="28/06/2011 13:25:00"/>
<Duration String="00:45:00"/>
<RunningStatus Value="0" Name="undefined"/>
<FreeCAMode Value="0" Name="not encrypted"/>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4D" Name="Short Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="18"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventName String="EastEnders"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<EventDescription String=""/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x54" Name="Content">
<DescriptorLength Value="2"/>
<ContentNibbles HValue="0x00" Name="Not defined"/>
<UserByte HValue="0x00"/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="254"/>
<DescriptorNumber Value="0"/>
<LastDescriptorNumber Value="1"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<Text String="Eddie finally makes a breakthrough with Michael, only to have their reconciliation scuppered by a surprise visitor. Carol and Ian are aghast when Shirley lays down the law. Director: Jerry Smith Starring: David Essex, Steve John Shepherd, Tony Dis"/>
</Descriptor>
<Descriptor HValue="0x4E" Name="Extended Event">
<DescriptorLength Value="106"/>
<DescriptorNumber Value="1"/>
<LastDescriptorNumber Value="1"/>
<Language String="eng"/>
<CharacterTable HValue="0x05" Name="Latin alphabet No. 5"/>
<Text String="cipline, Meryl Fernandes, Himesh Patel, Marc Elliott (Followed by RTÉ News and Weather, Subtitles)"/>
</Descriptor>
</EventID>

</ServiceID>
</Terrestrial__EUR__722000>

Cmon ACRyan - please sort this out with Realtek - someone is distorting the reality of this EPG licence! In most cases there is no EPG supplier except the TV stations themselves. :lol:

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Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:36 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Arne,

if You have a license problem between ACRyan and Realtek then You should print BIG RED message on every box You sold and make it on Your Web-Site too!!!


Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:43 am
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Post Re: EPG Problem in new GUI
Arne,

maybe the Realtek's license is related to paid Channels only!


Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:57 am
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