Hi,

as I tried to see an english MKV movie with subs I realized, that the activation of subs don't made them visible. Tried this with several movies, always the same problem. Playing the same files with an wdtv device the subs have been shown.

Then I tried the same with M2TS-Files and there the subs were working.

Is this a general problem?

Cheers
data

No it is not.

Inspect the MKV with MediaInfo and MKVToolnix

It could be, though. (sub/idx)
As I understood reading other posts r7716 has improvements for locally attached NTFS-Drives, but not for subtitles...

I tried out several firmware revisions from r3966 up to the latest official release r7317, none of them showed sub/idx-subs (Media-Info Codec-ID: S_VOBSUB) that were muxed in the mkv-container.
You can choose them by pressing the subtitles button on the RC, but they won't show up on the screen. (PGS subs do)

With r7317, I have only two options to get the subs:

Either I extract the subs (with MKVCleaver), convert them to PGS (with BDSup2Sub) and remux the mkv-file (with mkvmerge),

or I extract the subs to place them as separate .idx/.sub files beside the mkv-file

(edit:which has to be remuxed without containing subs, because if there are subs in the container, separate subtitle files are ignored) forget the red text.

phil

That is the way I actually encode all of my MKV's of DVD Rips (with usually multiple IDX/SUB in the container) and I am positive that it works.

I am not at home today so I can't check it on the player but will tonight and report back.

I had some appointments change so I was able to test this.

I run firmware 7317 as when I tested 7716 which is a beta, I felt that it was a POS and fraught with bugs.

I have subtitles turned off in Setup->Misc->Subs.

This is the mediainfo from one of the titles that I have encoded but I checked at least 10 and subtitles are working fine.

General
Unique ID : 146456552068173275913146657898979769023 (0x6E2E8183D73BF669CBE8B9A892B5BABF)
Complete name : M:\Matroska\Standard Definition\Action\Lethal Weapon\Lethal Weapon 1.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 1.84 GiB
Duration : 1h 45mn
Overall bit rate : 2 503 Kbps
Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.5
Writing library : libmkv 0.6.4.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate : 2 069 Kbps
Width : 718 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.200
Stream size : 1.52 GiB (83%)
Writing library : x264 core 112
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 289 MiB (15%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : Spanish
Default : No
Forced : No

Menu
00:00:00.000 : Chapter 1
00:04:12.200 : Chapter 2
00:10:43.240 : Chapter 3
00:14:14.000 : Chapter 4
00:17:25.400 : Chapter 5
00:22:05.040 : Chapter 6
00:24:51.320 : Chapter 7
00:27:22.560 : Chapter 8
00:35:12.320 : Chapter 9
00:41:10.520 : Chapter 10
00:51:56.080 : Chapter 11
00:55:14.000 : Chapter 12
01:01:04.080 : Chapter 13
01:05:19.240 : Chapter 14
01:07:29.320 : Chapter 15
01:12:08.840 : Chapter 16
01:20:17.600 : Chapter 17
01:25:46.400 : Chapter 18
01:32:53.000 : Chapter 19
01:34:47.680 : Chapter 20
01:38:45.600 : Chapter 21
01:39:28.960 : Chapter 22
01:40:24.160 : Chapter 23

When playing the movie, I press the Subtitle button, choose the language, press OK and then press subtitle again and the next subtitle appears.

Also, the player obeys all the chapter marks.

I suggest that you need to have a look at how your files are encoded.

PS: You can use "Subtitle Edit" to actually inspect subs in the MKV file.

Hi GregiBoy,

you alienated me a little, so I took a small part of a movie with some subs in it and recoded it with Handbrake. And what should I say... the holy shit works!

After that I took the handbrake-encoded testfile, loaded it with mkvmerge GUI to remux it - subs aren't displayed anymore when I play the resulting file.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact, that mkvmerge uses libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0, while handbrake uses libmkv 0.6.5 ...

So thank you for your reply. It inspired me to this test.

Phil


MediaInfo of the working testfile:
General
Unique ID : 324588652410280548313191690439572640879 (0xF4318022A331A59335DE43EF4D54D46F)
Complete name : Y:\temp\test-hb.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 3.40 MiB
Duration : 25s 401ms
Overall bit rate : 1 123 Kbps
Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.6
Writing library : libmkv 0.6.5

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 25s 400ms
Bit rate : 461 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.021
Stream size : 1.39 MiB (41%)
Writing library : x264 core 120
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=9 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=30.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 25s 401ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.94 MiB (57%)
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 5
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

...and of the one that doesn't work:

General
Unique ID : 191974070399220426445463033916343643797 (0x906CDC6F43F535E09C62DEA0A9B2EE95)
Complete name : Y:\temp\test-hb-mmg.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 3.38 MiB
Duration : 25s 408ms
Overall bit rate : 1 115 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012-06-13 01:36:03
Writing application : mkvmerge v5.6.0 ('Kenya Kane') built on May 27 2012 16:44:04
Writing library : libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Muxing mode : Header stripping
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 25s 400ms
Bit rate : 453 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.020
Stream size : 1.37 MiB (41%)
Writing library : x264 core 120
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=9 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=30.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Muxing mode : Header stripping
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 25s 408ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.94 MiB (57%)
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #1
ID : 3
Format : VobSub
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : German
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Text #2
ID : 4
Format : VobSub
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : English
Default : No
Forced : No

Text #3
ID : 5
Format : VobSub
Muxing mode : zlib
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Language : German
Default : No
Forced : No

I'll test out out your findings myself later in the week.

What did you mean by "Alienated you"? Did you mean "Motivated you"? Coz alienated means that I have said something wrong to you that you didn't like.

yes - I meant something like 'motivated'

Sorry, english is a foreign language to me. I'm german.

I took the wrong translation for 'verunsichern' from http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&search=verunsichern.

I posted about my findings in the german forum to inform Arne about it.

Thanks again!

I'm curious about your findings whether you can reproduce this behaviour...

Phil

Hi Phil.

Yeah, English is my second language too as I speak Australian!!!